Cardiff City Footballer Feared Missing after aircraft disappeared near Channel Island
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Originally Posted by Timmy Tomkins
It used to be a requirement in France to fly twin engined at night, single engine night was illegal. I assume this must not be a commercial flight or someone is breaking the rules.
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I sent Tomnod a tweet but I doubt they are still going.
RAF Waddington have Reapers which are a bit excessive but highly useful; they are always quick to miss an opportunity for good PR. Surprising whilst they are currently spending a fortune on TV advertising
RAF Waddington have Reapers which are a bit excessive but highly useful; they are always quick to miss an opportunity for good PR. Surprising whilst they are currently spending a fortune on TV advertising
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Originally Posted by Gurnard
Aircraft Identity?
One BBC report states:-
A spokesman for the French Civil Aviation Authority said the Piper PA46 Malibu aircraft was French but had not been registered in France.
Strange way of putting it.
One BBC report states:-
A spokesman for the French Civil Aviation Authority said the Piper PA46 Malibu aircraft was French but had not been registered in France.
Strange way of putting it.
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Sala was reportedly making a return/farewell visit to Nantes, having signed the transfer deal in Cardiff on Saturday 19th.
It may of course be coincidence, but Malibu N264DB was noted departing Rhoose on Saturday morning, flightplanned to Guernsey.
It's an entry-level, piston-powered Malibu 310P (Continental TSIO-520).
It may of course be coincidence, but Malibu N264DB was noted departing Rhoose on Saturday morning, flightplanned to Guernsey.
It's an entry-level, piston-powered Malibu 310P (Continental TSIO-520).
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Here’s the registration info from the FAA for N264DB.
https://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinq...ertxt=264DB%20
The address of the owner is in Norfolk UK.
https://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinq...ertxt=264DB%20
The address of the owner is in Norfolk UK.
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Rumors from Nantes says the aircraft was indeed N registered, one pilot only , not sure it was certified for public transport , so could be a pure private flight, It was on a standard IFR flight plan ,and according to some witnesses there could be 3 on board. Chances now to recover them if they ditched are very thin .
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Originally Posted by TriStar_drvr
Here’s the registration info from the FAA for N264DB.
https://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinq...ertxt=264DB%20
The address of the owner is in Norfolk UK.
https://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinq...ertxt=264DB%20
The address of the owner is in Norfolk UK.
Well not quite.
But we don't know for sure yet if that's the aircraft involved.
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I frequently fly across the Channel, at night, single engine - nothing inherently wrong about it (whilst we all prefer day VFR over land of course). Would usually want to be 5000-7000ft - but at this time of year, if IMC they may have been seeking warmer air lower down?
It's pretty cold at the moment, might have to be very low to find positive temps?
Pure speculation, to be ignored completely.
Fly safe out there, Sam.
It's pretty cold at the moment, might have to be very low to find positive temps?
Pure speculation, to be ignored completely.
Fly safe out there, Sam.
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Originally Posted by DaveReidUK
Sala was reportedly making a return/farewell visit to Nantes, having signed the transfer deal in Cardiff on Saturday 19th.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_P..._disappearance
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Originally Posted by Super VC-10
No, the flight was from Nantes to Cardiff, as widely reported by the BBC, Sky News, ITV, Metro and others.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_P..._disappearance
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_P..._disappearance
My point was that he apparently flew Cardiff-Nantes on the Saturday, and was returning to CWL yesterday on the ill-fated flight.
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I was P2 in a Turbo Arrow 3 many years ago injected at 10000 ft over the alps out the back of Cannes a 1000 ft above the hard stuff in icing cloud pre GPS with lightening which was not forecast by our dear EU friends and started to get a burning smell which we recon was the carpet glue melting somehow then a bit of a miss fire and P1 immeadiatly turned on the landing light as its a bit of heat before LED bulbs round the air intake and went to alternate air and it than ran fine again, 5 / 10 minutes later we broke out into glorious blue sky, he had worked out preflight where that should happen. We put it down to impact ice in the air filter but it all happened pretty quick and we had not completely even lost all the stall strips, P1 was cool and IR rated but I learnt a lot from that trip and that was too close for comfort for me as a PPL but he had the advantage he lived in Switzerland when he did his IR, was taught by an old boy who was highly experienced and it included regularly going into icing cloud to build up ice with safe warm air below and learn first hand what his Mooney at the time could cope with
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Originally Posted by Gurnard
Aircraft Identity?
One BBC report states:-
A spokesman for the French Civil Aviation Authority said the Piper PA46 Malibu aircraft was French but had not been registered in France.
Strange way of putting it.
One BBC report states:-
A spokesman for the French Civil Aviation Authority said the Piper PA46 Malibu aircraft was French but had not been registered in France.
Strange way of putting it.
Rumoured to be VFR
Coastguard description, white with blue stripe. hmmm
Coastguard saying "N246DB"
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Originally Posted by simonrennie
I was P2 in a Turbo Arrow 3 many years ago injected at 10000 ft over the alps out the back of Cannes a 1000 ft above the hard stuff in icing cloud pre GPS with lightening which was not forecast
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Originally Posted by simonrennie
They seem to have this one as well delivered in 2013 and still active,
Registration details for N866LP (Southern Aircraft Consultancy Inc Trustee) Piper PA-46-350P Malibu Mirage
Registration details for N866LP (Southern Aircraft Consultancy Inc Trustee) Piper PA-46-350P Malibu Mirage
But I'm not sure what the relevance of those are, given that they all likely belong to different owners, and AFAIK none has been noted at Cardiff recently (apart from N264DB).
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No ELT?
A few observations on this tragic accident.
I once did two days of UK air law to get a UK Validation for the Do328Tp at ScottAirways in 1999,and I recall that ELT was not required in the UK!
Is this a fact , and if so was this aircraft not equipped? ( Flying to France on a US reg??)
Having done a few football charters in my turboprop days and more importantly 100s of charters for Oil companys that did audit us for Safety, I find it shocking that any Club would let a valuable member use anything like this amateur arrangement.
I do not blame the poor footballer , he is of-course invincible, but someone needs to manage these men. Both form a economic and certainly human perspective!
I also find it strange that the search was called off in the early critical phase.
Anyway
I hope we can learn a thing or two from this tragic accident.
Nr 1 would be always carry an ELT!
I once did two days of UK air law to get a UK Validation for the Do328Tp at ScottAirways in 1999,and I recall that ELT was not required in the UK!
Is this a fact , and if so was this aircraft not equipped? ( Flying to France on a US reg??)
Having done a few football charters in my turboprop days and more importantly 100s of charters for Oil companys that did audit us for Safety, I find it shocking that any Club would let a valuable member use anything like this amateur arrangement.
I do not blame the poor footballer , he is of-course invincible, but someone needs to manage these men. Both form a economic and certainly human perspective!
I also find it strange that the search was called off in the early critical phase.
Anyway
I hope we can learn a thing or two from this tragic accident.
Nr 1 would be always carry an ELT!
