AEJ-200 Crash in Inner Mongolia (Merged)
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Crash in Inner Mongolia
Xinhua reporting plane crash in Inner Mongolia. Aircraft with 50 pax on way from Baotou to Shanghai crashed immediately after take off at approx. 0830 hrs local time, descending into a park adjacent to Baotou airport. 47 pax and 3 crew members all presumed dead. No details on airline and type of aircraft yet.
Deep sympathies for victims and their loved ones.
Deep sympathies for victims and their loved ones.
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http://www.thecouriermail.news.com.a...5E1702,00.html
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53 die as plane crashes in lake
From correspondents in Beijing
21nov04
FIFTY-three people died when a passenger plane crashed shortly after take-off in northern China today.
China Eastern's flight MU-5210, bound for Shanghai, plunged into a lake in Nanhai Park just minutes after leaving from the city of Baotou in Inner Mongolia at 8.20am (11.20am AEDT), the Xinhua news agency reported.
"There were 47 passengers on board and six crew members, and all died," the civil aviation authority said in a statement posted on its website.
Xinhua quoted Baotou government officials as confirming the death toll of 53.
A Xinhua reporter said that when he arrived at the scene 30 minutes after the crash, a huge fire was visible on the surface of the lake.
Firefighters were engaged in putting out the blaze, while others tried to salvage bodies from the wreckage.
"The cause of the crash is still under investigation," an official with China Eastern's office in Baotou said.
"We're gathering passenger information at the moment."
The civil aviation authority identified the plane as a CRJ-200, a regional jet which normally has capacity to carry 50 passengers.
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53 die as plane crashes in lake
From correspondents in Beijing
21nov04
FIFTY-three people died when a passenger plane crashed shortly after take-off in northern China today.
China Eastern's flight MU-5210, bound for Shanghai, plunged into a lake in Nanhai Park just minutes after leaving from the city of Baotou in Inner Mongolia at 8.20am (11.20am AEDT), the Xinhua news agency reported.
"There were 47 passengers on board and six crew members, and all died," the civil aviation authority said in a statement posted on its website.
Xinhua quoted Baotou government officials as confirming the death toll of 53.
A Xinhua reporter said that when he arrived at the scene 30 minutes after the crash, a huge fire was visible on the surface of the lake.
Firefighters were engaged in putting out the blaze, while others tried to salvage bodies from the wreckage.
"The cause of the crash is still under investigation," an official with China Eastern's office in Baotou said.
"We're gathering passenger information at the moment."
The civil aviation authority identified the plane as a CRJ-200, a regional jet which normally has capacity to carry 50 passengers.
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ARJ-200 crash in China
An ARJ-200 crashed one mile away from Baotou airport while taking off for ShangHai at 8:20am local time this morning, killed 53 people on board, include 6 crew members.
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The report on BBC refers to the China Eastern a/c as a CRJ 200, and quotes:
witnesses as saying that the plane "broke into flaming fragments", destroying a house next to the park and several yachts.
One said he had heard a blast and the plane broke into a huge fireball in the air before plunging into the lake.
One said he had heard a blast and the plane broke into a huge fireball in the air before plunging into the lake.
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Just last week I was telling a sweet young thing who was terrified of her first ever flight, which was to be on a CRJ, that although they have been flying for some years and there are 1000 or so around, they have never killed a passenger.
Inevitable that this state would change, but didn't expect it would be so soon.
BTW, before telling her that, looked at the accident database and found that indeed, although there have been several fatal crashes (including Pinnacle), no previous ones killed pax.
Initial reports suggest in flight explosion, but in circumstances like those of some previous accidents where ground observers misperceived breakup and associated fire on impact as a fireball before impact.
Don't know, given the host country, if we will get timely information re actual events. Did hear that Bombardier have despatched a team.
Inevitable that this state would change, but didn't expect it would be so soon.
BTW, before telling her that, looked at the accident database and found that indeed, although there have been several fatal crashes (including Pinnacle), no previous ones killed pax.
Initial reports suggest in flight explosion, but in circumstances like those of some previous accidents where ground observers misperceived breakup and associated fire on impact as a fireball before impact.
Don't know, given the host country, if we will get timely information re actual events. Did hear that Bombardier have despatched a team.
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The China Eastern CRJ200 Crash Cause?
"A witness identified as Ms. Gao was quoted as saying the plane began to shake when it reached the height of a six-story building.
"The plane then shook for four or five seconds and tried to turn around. But suddenly its tail caught fire with a bang. Then heavy smoke and a foul smell engulfed the area," Gao was quoted as saying.
Wang Yongqiang, who lives near the park, said he saw black smoke billowing from the tail of the plane before it crashed, Xinhua said. It said he heard "a big blast" when the plane was still in the air.
The weather in Baotou was clear and cold - about 25 degrees."
Sounds very much like they didn't de-ice and a sheet of clear ice separated from the wings as the airplane started to shake in pre-stall buffet - got ingested, induced surges and led to uncontained failures - and completed the accident chain (as described above). Overnight temperature profile and time of day (0830L) would seem to match that scenario. Be surprised if it's anything else.
27 DEC 1991 SAS MD-81 flt 751
Stockholm-Arlanda Airport (ARN)
Narrative:
The MD-81 arrived from Zurich at 22:09 and was parked at gate 2 overnight with temperatures of around +1 deg. C. Approx. 2550kg of fuel remained in each wing tank. The aircraft was scheduled to leave Stockholm for Copenhagen at 08:30 and the temperature had dropped to -0 deg C in the early morning. During the night and in the early morning clear ice had formed on the upper side of the wings, but this was not detected by the ground crew member who checked the forward part of the wing. The aircraft was fuelled with 1400kg of fuel and was ready for de-icing at 08:30, which was done using 850l of Type I fluid. After de-icing the mechanic didn't check whether there was any clear ice on the upper side of the wings, since he had previously found none. The flight was then cleared to taxi to runway 08 and the aircraft took off at 08:47. After 25 seconds (at 1124 feet height) bangs, vibrations and jerks were perceived in the aircraft. This was caused by a no. 2 engine surge. The engine was throttled down a little, but throttle control simultaneously changed to an automatic mode which increased throttle setting with altitude (Automatic Thrust Restoration - ATR). This in turn increased the intensity of the surging. The no. 1 engine surged 39 seconds later, but this was not noticed by the flight crew. An attempt to switch on the autopilot at 2616 feet failed. At 76 resp. 78 seconds into the flight both the no. 2 and no. 1 engine failed after breakup of the stage 1 stators of both engines (initiated by high loads from the surges). The aircraft was climbing through 3206 feet at that moment with a 196 KIAS. A no. 1 engine fire warning at 91 seconds into the flight made the crew activate the fire extinguishing system. A SAS captain traveling the passenger cabin realized that there were problems and hurried to the cockpit to assist the flight crew. The aircraft was in a gliding left turn at that moment. When descending through 420m, still in the clouds, the assisting captain gradually extended the flaps. The flaps were fully extended at 1100 feet (340m) and the plane broke through the clouds at 980-820 feet. A field in the direction of flight was chosen for an emergency landing. The wheels were selected down and Stockholm control was informed about the imminent crash-landing. The MD-81 contacted trees at 121 knots and a major portion of the right wing broke off. The plane then struck sloping ground tail-first and slid along the ground for 110m. The fuselage was broken into three pieces, but there was no fire.
http://aviation-safety.net/database/1991/911227-0.htm
"The plane then shook for four or five seconds and tried to turn around. But suddenly its tail caught fire with a bang. Then heavy smoke and a foul smell engulfed the area," Gao was quoted as saying.
Wang Yongqiang, who lives near the park, said he saw black smoke billowing from the tail of the plane before it crashed, Xinhua said. It said he heard "a big blast" when the plane was still in the air.
The weather in Baotou was clear and cold - about 25 degrees."
Sounds very much like they didn't de-ice and a sheet of clear ice separated from the wings as the airplane started to shake in pre-stall buffet - got ingested, induced surges and led to uncontained failures - and completed the accident chain (as described above). Overnight temperature profile and time of day (0830L) would seem to match that scenario. Be surprised if it's anything else.
27 DEC 1991 SAS MD-81 flt 751
Stockholm-Arlanda Airport (ARN)
Narrative:
The MD-81 arrived from Zurich at 22:09 and was parked at gate 2 overnight with temperatures of around +1 deg. C. Approx. 2550kg of fuel remained in each wing tank. The aircraft was scheduled to leave Stockholm for Copenhagen at 08:30 and the temperature had dropped to -0 deg C in the early morning. During the night and in the early morning clear ice had formed on the upper side of the wings, but this was not detected by the ground crew member who checked the forward part of the wing. The aircraft was fuelled with 1400kg of fuel and was ready for de-icing at 08:30, which was done using 850l of Type I fluid. After de-icing the mechanic didn't check whether there was any clear ice on the upper side of the wings, since he had previously found none. The flight was then cleared to taxi to runway 08 and the aircraft took off at 08:47. After 25 seconds (at 1124 feet height) bangs, vibrations and jerks were perceived in the aircraft. This was caused by a no. 2 engine surge. The engine was throttled down a little, but throttle control simultaneously changed to an automatic mode which increased throttle setting with altitude (Automatic Thrust Restoration - ATR). This in turn increased the intensity of the surging. The no. 1 engine surged 39 seconds later, but this was not noticed by the flight crew. An attempt to switch on the autopilot at 2616 feet failed. At 76 resp. 78 seconds into the flight both the no. 2 and no. 1 engine failed after breakup of the stage 1 stators of both engines (initiated by high loads from the surges). The aircraft was climbing through 3206 feet at that moment with a 196 KIAS. A no. 1 engine fire warning at 91 seconds into the flight made the crew activate the fire extinguishing system. A SAS captain traveling the passenger cabin realized that there were problems and hurried to the cockpit to assist the flight crew. The aircraft was in a gliding left turn at that moment. When descending through 420m, still in the clouds, the assisting captain gradually extended the flaps. The flaps were fully extended at 1100 feet (340m) and the plane broke through the clouds at 980-820 feet. A field in the direction of flight was chosen for an emergency landing. The wheels were selected down and Stockholm control was informed about the imminent crash-landing. The MD-81 contacted trees at 121 knots and a major portion of the right wing broke off. The plane then struck sloping ground tail-first and slid along the ground for 110m. The fuselage was broken into three pieces, but there was no fire.
http://aviation-safety.net/database/1991/911227-0.htm
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Chinese crash black boxes found
The flight recorders from a plane that crashed in northern China at the weekend, killing 55 people, have been found after a three-day search.
The cabin voice recorder was damaged and would be sent to Beijing for examination, Xinhua news agency said.
The search for the so-called black boxes had been hampered by icy conditions in the lake into which the plane crashed, near the city of Baotou.
It was the first serious air accident in China for more than two years.
All 47 passengers on board, six crew members, and two people on the ground were killed in the crash on Sunday in Inner Mongolia.
Investigators are hoping the flight recorders will shed light on how the crash happened, although it is not clear that they will hold much information, as the accident happened just seconds after take-off.
Officials have ruled out sabotage as a cause of the crash.
The China Eastern plane, a Canadian-built CRJ-200 jet, took off from the industrial city of Baotou, about 600km (360 miles) west of the capital, Beijing, and seconds later plunged into Nanhai Park near the airport.
Xinhua quoted witnesses as saying that the plane "broke into flaming fragments", destroying a house next to the park and several yachts.
It was the deadliest aviation disaster in China since May 2002, when 112 people died after their plane fell into the ocean near the north-eastern city of Dalian.
State media recently highlighted the fact that there had been no serious accidents, despite a surge in air traffic.
Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/h...ic/4037553.stm
Published: 2004/11/24 08:19:55 GMT
The flight recorders from a plane that crashed in northern China at the weekend, killing 55 people, have been found after a three-day search.
The cabin voice recorder was damaged and would be sent to Beijing for examination, Xinhua news agency said.
The search for the so-called black boxes had been hampered by icy conditions in the lake into which the plane crashed, near the city of Baotou.
It was the first serious air accident in China for more than two years.
All 47 passengers on board, six crew members, and two people on the ground were killed in the crash on Sunday in Inner Mongolia.
Investigators are hoping the flight recorders will shed light on how the crash happened, although it is not clear that they will hold much information, as the accident happened just seconds after take-off.
Officials have ruled out sabotage as a cause of the crash.
The China Eastern plane, a Canadian-built CRJ-200 jet, took off from the industrial city of Baotou, about 600km (360 miles) west of the capital, Beijing, and seconds later plunged into Nanhai Park near the airport.
Xinhua quoted witnesses as saying that the plane "broke into flaming fragments", destroying a house next to the park and several yachts.
It was the deadliest aviation disaster in China since May 2002, when 112 people died after their plane fell into the ocean near the north-eastern city of Dalian.
State media recently highlighted the fact that there had been no serious accidents, despite a surge in air traffic.
Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/h...ic/4037553.stm
Published: 2004/11/24 08:19:55 GMT
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"sabotage / terrorism ruled out" that was an extremely quick investigation if you ask me
especially as this heavy statement was made at the same time as the divers were emerging with the black boxes. Bit like SARS eh?? hmm perhaps I hope for the sake of the Chinese people that sabotage and terrorism has not entered their country.... it is generally counted as a safe place...... but well ,we all know, what type of world we live in. Be interesting to see what the box reveals, thats if we ever get to know.
especially as this heavy statement was made at the same time as the divers were emerging with the black boxes. Bit like SARS eh?? hmm perhaps I hope for the sake of the Chinese people that sabotage and terrorism has not entered their country.... it is generally counted as a safe place...... but well ,we all know, what type of world we live in. Be interesting to see what the box reveals, thats if we ever get to know.
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Its only 18 years later but every accident should have a cause attributed to it. The CRJ200 is extremely sensitive to contaminated wings. One might have gotten away with a little contamination in the past on a different aircraft type and come to the conclusion that this can be done on any old aircraft. Not true. Never, ever take any chance with a CRJ200. Be overly cautious.....
How Atmospheric Icing Led To The Crash Of China Eastern Airlines Flight 5210 In 2004 (msn.com)Eighteen years ago today, on November 21, 2004, China Eastern Airlines Flight 5210 crashed two minutes after taking off from Baotou Donghe Airport (BAV) in Inner Mongolia. All six crew members, 47 passengers, and two people on the ground died in the accident.
The aircraft involved in the incident was a two-year-old Bombardier CRJ-200ER with the registration B-3072. At the time of the crash, it was still painted in its former owner's livery China Yunnan Airlines, following a merger in 2003. In command of the aircraft was Captain Wang Pin Vice, assisted by First Officer Yi Qinwei.
China Eastern Airlines Flight 5210 was a regularly scheduled passenger service from Baotou Donghe Airport (BAV) to Shanghai Hongqiao International Airport (SHA) with a stop at Beijing Capital International Airport (PEK).
Emergency responders, including divers, were dispatched immediately to the scene but only managed to recover 36 of the plane's 53 occupants after being hampered by the poor conditions. Two days following the crash, the cockpit voice recorder (CVR) and flight data recorder (FDR) were recovered from the lake.
Coincidentally the crash followed just three months after the bombing of a Tupolev Tu-154 and a Tupolev Tu-134 in Russia. The Chinese authorities immediately thought they could all be related, but found no traces of explosive residue on the Canadian-made jet.
The crash also followed a similar event one month earlier: A Pinnacle Airlines CRJ200 crashed while the aircraft was repositioning from Little Rock to Minneapolis. In the case of Pinnacle Airlines Flight 3701, pilot error was to blame after the Captain and First Officer decided to see how high the plane could fly. At the time of the crash, no passengers or other crew were aboard the aircraft. Before losing control, the pilots had climbed to 41,000 feet, the maximum ceiling for the aircraft.
How Atmospheric Icing Led To The Crash Of China Eastern Airlines Flight 5210 In 2004 (msn.com)Eighteen years ago today, on November 21, 2004, China Eastern Airlines Flight 5210 crashed two minutes after taking off from Baotou Donghe Airport (BAV) in Inner Mongolia. All six crew members, 47 passengers, and two people on the ground died in the accident.
The aircraft involved in the incident was a two-year-old Bombardier CRJ-200ER with the registration B-3072. At the time of the crash, it was still painted in its former owner's livery China Yunnan Airlines, following a merger in 2003. In command of the aircraft was Captain Wang Pin Vice, assisted by First Officer Yi Qinwei.
China Eastern Airlines Flight 5210 was a regularly scheduled passenger service from Baotou Donghe Airport (BAV) to Shanghai Hongqiao International Airport (SHA) with a stop at Beijing Capital International Airport (PEK).
The aircraft crashed seconds after takeoff
The aircraft took off from Baotou Donghe Airport (BAV) at 08:21, 15 minutes ahead of schedule for the first leg of its journey to Beijing. Ten seconds after becoming airborne, the aircraft started shaking and fell to the ground. The plane skidded through a park, crashing into a house and ticketing office before plunging into an icy lake.Emergency responders, including divers, were dispatched immediately to the scene but only managed to recover 36 of the plane's 53 occupants after being hampered by the poor conditions. Two days following the crash, the cockpit voice recorder (CVR) and flight data recorder (FDR) were recovered from the lake.
The investigation into the crash of China Eastern Airlines Flight 5210
Eyewitnesses on the ground say that they saw the plane shaking shortly after takeoff and exploding midair. According to one of the witnesses, the plane's tail began to emit smoke before it crashed into the park and exploded. Others, however, claimed that the aircraft exploded in midair.Coincidentally the crash followed just three months after the bombing of a Tupolev Tu-154 and a Tupolev Tu-134 in Russia. The Chinese authorities immediately thought they could all be related, but found no traces of explosive residue on the Canadian-made jet.
The crash also followed a similar event one month earlier: A Pinnacle Airlines CRJ200 crashed while the aircraft was repositioning from Little Rock to Minneapolis. In the case of Pinnacle Airlines Flight 3701, pilot error was to blame after the Captain and First Officer decided to see how high the plane could fly. At the time of the crash, no passengers or other crew were aboard the aircraft. Before losing control, the pilots had climbed to 41,000 feet, the maximum ceiling for the aircraft.
