To answer a few points. .1 C152/150s can quite happily side slip full flaps or no flaps.. .2 C152/150s will exit a spin if you close your eyes let alone open a door.. .3 C172s apparently do not like side slipping with full flaps however normal/sensible cross wind approaches could not be achieved if you believe that. . .Should the 'kamakazi' final be required, bleed off speed and alt with this technique before opening the barn doors purlely as a curteousy (sp?) to the next pilot as it may crack the flap guides/runners.. .Oh and before trying to 'steer' an an aircraft with the doors with control cable failure try using rudder (or aileron depending on the failure).. . . . <small>[ 25 March 2002, 02:36: Message edited by: somewhatconcerned ]</small>