Bananas you're correct, this event and the others the email refers to happened under the author's watch. If you consider that the assertion made by what-goes-up to be true re the new PAM, then we should ground the Fleet and recheck all of us for monitoring skills. If a trainer can't determine poor monitoring skills without a PAM specifically reflecting that behaviour then its the trainer who needs the retraining. Support requires effective monitoring doesn't it? The PAM change is white wash....