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Old 26th Aug 2017, 11:28
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Originally Posted by sptraveller
Sure, but you miss the point.

I never disputed that the crew failed, or that the overwhelming majority of crews would not fail.

Nevertheless, the crew did actually command thrust.

The aircraft did actually silently ignore that command.

Do you believe that the automatics had a better view of the suitability of the commanded thrust level than the crew did?

I think the result says no, and on this edge the automatics has a fault in it.

Perhaps this isn't the most brilliant example.

However, there is a limit to the acceptable sum total of "modes and buttons that do not work as advertised".

Even assuming this case fails, I see no harm in court cases like this playing a role in establishing where that limit lies.
The crew never commanded thrust. They used a mode disabled for the phase of flight they were in. In the 777 if you want trust you push the throttles forward. Anytime you use the GA trust or other automatic mode you follow the throttle movement and assist if neccesary. Failing in that basic item of airmanship they could have considered all the other cues of a lack of thrust.
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