Originally Posted by
Capn Bloggs
The common trait is the nose dropping, unnoticed, during an increasing-bank turn with no apparent attempt to roll off the bank. You may well be right by saying "and make a better display" but the fact is none of those pilots realised it until it was too late (Perth Mallard full-right roll control on impact).
I was referring to the C-17 crash. There were numerous operational violations being made my the pilot in that instance. It was basically a repeat performance of the Bud Holland B-52 crash 20+ years earlier.