Flarearmed:----
Mate, I heard this myself on YMML ground not once but twice. They could not get the flight crew to look out the window and wave off the ground crew.
Second fact:- YMML ATC ( Ground 121.9 ) at most pushback locations for widebodies WILL NOT give a Taxy clearance UNTIL the Tug crew report "Clear" away from the Aircraft and off the taxyway.
Now, I operate a lot in China and elsewhere, it's not normally a problem.
These guys didn't understand ground asking them to wave off the ground crew OUT THE WINDOW, so there they sat.
In my little outfit we have learnt the hard way after mistakes were made, yes mistakes were made and hopefully addressed so PEOPLE DON'T GET KILLED.
We do not action the after start checklist until the wave off, the last item on that Checklist is ----Ground Crew clear, then we request Taxy.......very simple.
It's not rocket science, this procedure was developed because previously mistakes were made.....another Swiss Cheese hole hopefully closed.
It may be fine when you are in the Cockpit mate but it's when you aren't that there seems to be an Airmanship problem.
Last edited by ACMS; 13th Nov 2016 at 06:13.