But the paradox is that people are getting bigger. I've been flying gliders for nearly a quarter of a century and it is notable how many more visitors we have to turn away because they are too heavy or too tall compared with the nineties. And RAT5, don't think for a minute that the trains are exempt from "densification" - just look at how many seats First Great Western now cram in to an HST second class carriage compared with the original spec, ironically adopting "airline style seating" rather than wholesale use of 2+2 face to face over a table, which was a lot more civilised. Sorry, I digress, but your other point about the LOCO's charging a bit more for extra legroom is well made - I paid a bit extra with Buzz from Luton to Gdansk a couple of years ago, and it was far superior to my BA Gothenburg flight...