Back to the pay scales. Guys, you've missed the plot. We have proven that those who remain will do so at a subpar wage and will take the hourly abuse. But to attract newbies, there has to be something enticing, given the new deserved reputation of EK amongst pilots worldwide. By this I mean, those that are here, if you don't like it leave. We'll replace you with some wide eyed impressionable new pilots. To them the word loyalty is just a word that comes after laughable in the dictionary.