gasax, it's not heresy to mention that class g is open to everyone. All mil guys know that and accept it. What we are arguing against is civvy airliners, including whopping big airbuses, using the VoY as a way of cutting 33 measly nms off their route, and whingeing when they're given avoiding action because they don't understand the rules that pertain to them flying through class G. BEagle, apologies on behalf of all of us but if another air traffic unit rings and asks for coordination we have to at least try and ask you to move, even if we know that it's not particularly a great time. It used to happen a lot because Penine Radar worked all the civvy rubbish that we now work and used to phone and ask for coordination when the ac were only about 10nms apart. We now try and forward plan somewhat better so that last minute requests for turns for coordination shouldn't happen as much. How's AARA8 working out for you guys position wise by the way??