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Old 25th Nov 2015, 13:17
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A_Van
 
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Some "IMHOs"

1. The commanders of the Russian AF group in Syria along with foreign ministry bureaucrats were stupid and irresponsible enough to not listen to the Turkish warnings (and not duly briefing the pilots, supposedly) that they (turks) were going to open fire "the next time". No matter who entered into whoever's airspace (looks like both did) one should be careful enough and pay great attention to situational awareness in the presence of such a "nervous and armed neighbor". In particular, the bombers should be accompanied by fighters, electronic warfare aircraft should also be in the air during operations, etc. Rescue teams should be better prepared than in this case when only two conventional transport choppers were sent and could not do much facing a strong fire from the ground.


2. The Turkish did it on purpose, were prepared for that and fired from an ambush, shame. Explanations such as "we were warning them 10 times" are inadequate. First, flying through this small "peninsula" of the Turkish territory into the Syrian one requires just some 15 seconds. It was clear that there was no other intention except for just making a quick short-cut. No matter who speaks or does not speak English, the Russian pilots might indeed not know who was addressing who even if they had a 121.5 MHz receiver up. Moreover, the Turkish did not join the MOU (or whatever was the document format) agreed between the Russian and US AFs to prevent incidents in the Syrian sky. Third, considering the situation more globally, an opinion of a NORAD general makes sense (well, it's Fox, I know, but the general is real), sorry for putting this URL again:
http://insider.foxnews.com/2015/11/24/lt-gen-mcinerney-turkey-shooting-down-russian-plane-was-very-bad-mistake


3. Sad to see foolish propaganda here that the Russians are not attacking the ISIL. E.g., the damage they made to the ISIL oil facilities is more severe than the whole "coalition" made.
The same for various groups of terrorists and rebels. The picture is not black and white. There are so many groups with different goals (absolute majority are just hungry for killing each other). You can't say that if anybody is against "baby Assad" (who is not a good guy himself, for sure) he is a good guy. Similarly, you can't say that all the "turkmen" are untouchable just because Turkey (Erdogan's regime) is supporting them or just because they got some weapons from the US. Thousands of criminals all over that place.


4. Some businesses of the Erdogan kids.


His son appears to be the main buyer and beneficiary of the ISIL-delivered oil:
http://sayyidali.com/home-page-slider/erdogans-dirty-dangerous-isis-games.html


His daughter is managing healthcare and medical services for the ISIL thugs in Turkey:
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/07/21/erdogans-daughter-joins-isis/


Looks like recent damages to the ISIL-controlled oil facilities and transportation routes made some family members pretty angry.


And in general, don't you find it paradoxical (if not idiotic) when a "coalition" + Russia are bombing various groups of terrorists while the latter can easily infiltrate and find a nice and solid shelter in a country, which is a NATO member state and formally supports this coalition. No chances to get rid of ISIL in this situation.
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