cucuotto, OK back to the thread.. No I didn't leave THY but I was considering it as I only have 10 years left and was thinking of coming closer to extended family in UK. Personally, I would not want to join NLH for reasons which to some may seem pathetic, namely, Cheap hotels and minimum down route time, Loss of Licence and Medical become more important proportional to age. One could argue we are a spoilt protected species, but I think after 20 years you deserve a descent level of support and comfort from any employer. As you remarked, its not just about money..My point was that the guys on the line seem to be happy enough, the management is without conscience. Maybe in the future things will settle down and conditions will improve. Even Ryanair now recognise that stability of pilot employees is fundamental and they are thinking of running their own cadet schemes..i.e make then loyal and green from an early stage! Oh, yes, 3 languages, 4 if you count Gaelic..