Wiggy, perhaps it is a shorthaul thing, granted it is still a risk, but the lines I go for are the ones with more work at the front, and looking on ibid you will see most RA trips are at the front of the month on shorthaul, as far as long haul especially the 400, it's probably much different. If they had the right numbers in the first place, instead of the constant figure fudge, we wouldn't be talking about this. Anyway sorry for the thread creep!