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Old 18th July 2014 | 11:52
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SadPole
 
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And a new ugly era begins, me thinks. New Pandora's Box has just been opened.

ICAO appears playing politics in it all, rather than using their brains. According to their logic – Crimea, now controlled by one clear party which can assume full responsibility for ATC there is unsafe, while air corridors above territory of proxy war, where nobody can assume responsibility, even if they wanted to, is safe. What kind of retarded thinking led to this “logic?”. Is ICAO there to care for safety of civilian traffic or to play NATO politics?


1. It isn't exactly a surprise that both sides of proxy war in Ukraine have BUK SAMs capable of reaching targets at 20,000m or that they were using them actively for a few weeks.

2. As electronics advances, all military equipment becomes idiot proof, in the sad form of allowing anyone to be able to take down anything.

3. This shows that, again, sadly Cold War was far more safe than a bunch of wars by proxy.

4. Even if it was well trained Russian crew playing separatists, it still is the problem of proxy war because the crew communicating with Russia when selecting targets would expose them.

5. One way or another, if missiles are fired from proxy war territory, the players act as rogues and do not use the advantages of the centralized C&C while selecting targets or otherwise.

6. Sadly, it was the dumb US politicians who first started proliferating SAMs among proxy fighters during the USSR-Afghanistan war, and were very proud of the results.

7. Afterwords, the US desperately tried to buy all the equipment back, but it was not easy since it became the symbol status among Muslim fighters. It sort of makes you God-like to be able to take down something high in the sky - I guess.

8. By contrast, the Soviets were very paranoid about proliferating SAM equipment because they feared it being used against them.

9. The West would often mock 40-year old Russian SCUDs sold to Saddam Hussein, for example, as if it was a bad thing that Russians were paranoid about selling newer toys and never supplied BUK missiles, for example, to Hussein's Iraq or Iran or to Serbia.

10. As US continued its adventures around the world and mocking of everything Russian, it sort of forced Russia's hand and now they are selling BUK and S300/400 to many parties around the world.

11. Ukraine is unusual in a sense that these things were already there, but I think it still is a sign of things to come.

12. Much of Ukraine conflict is sort of nationalism/racism between the two sides, with Russia financing pro-Moscow thieves and the West financing pro-Western thieves, with regular Ukrainians caught in the middle – a replay of Balkan wars.

13. A sane world would try to penalize big players for organizing wars by proxy, but as we all have gone insane, the idiot politicians will probably use it as an excuse to have more proxy wars.
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