'3xxx' I don't like the way you put that buddy "with any luck"
There's two words that are not to be used in the same sentence when talking about aviation, they are luck & should, flying isn't about 'luck' & the word should just doesn't sound right when used in a sentence like 'we should clear those trees' or in yr case 'xxx' we should be able to land off a turn back....ohhh ahhhh scary thought
'Ultra' I think 'JR' was referring to the jab donk not so much the airframe if indeed that's what yr kinda alluding to there
I know we are all getting away from the original thread but that's usually the case after a while anyway 'cause I mean how much can we speculate here until the report comes out? For now two men lost their lives in what probably was a serviceable airframe by all accounts, lets hope we can learn from it whatever it is that ended the lives of two hapless aviators.
Wmk2