If the AFAP is so great then why was VIPA formed and and why did it take hundreds and hundreds of VA members? If AIPA is so anti Jetstar pilots why does it still have hundreds of JQ members? Yeah, so the AFAP advertises the MBF as a big reason to join, we don't hear so much about the amazing industrial results like losing legal challenges to destroy MOU agreements made well before self-interested pilots even joined JQ, do we?