Smoc, QF is not completely shutting down. There are still jobs there and will be for some time to come. Redundancies are for the redundant - in QF that's a lot different from what union and management would like us to believe. Like I said, it's not a bonanza for CX. IF you think so your playing into their game. Read the book. Sure low hour guys are abundant, experience is not. Are they coming? Me thinks not. It's really not an issue unless you allow it to be.