I know everyone loves to bang on about how employee wages are breaking the bank etc but seriously have you considered the company line (repeated continuously) has sucked you in? Conservative tech crew cost for an airline is 4%, everyone could take a 50% pay cut and in this case QF would still be making a loss. Maybe everyone should acknowledge the real reasons for the loss and stop taking it out on other pilot groups. Complaints blaming one group for a pay freeze are a joke, SH made a profit (substantially more than j* or any other group airline) and are also included in the freeze. It could also be argued that different investment strategies (possibly less orange ones) could have lead to a better financial position and possible pay increases for all. Management needs to be the focus.