Beer baron are you saying we all should be paid as well as qantas pilots? I think so, but in the end we should all be on the same pay in the qantas group somewhere between qantas and virgin rates. Hell most jetstar guys r happy to b on tiger rates and most qantas guys would just like to be employed. In the end we can all agree mis management has put us here and it's not the pilots fault but we are paying the price. This arguing between the pilot groups is only making us weaker