Beardy, I think we are actually in agreement on many things although coming at the discussion from different positions. The constant Airbus bashing at the start of this thread was very annoying when there was not a lot of information available. There seems to be a lot that can be learnt from this incident, both in terms of the occurrence itself and what it might imply about the reporting culture. I hope that the management chain is thinking very carefully about the long term implications of their reaction to this occurrence.