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Old 2nd Jan 2014, 21:18
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You can also add to that the second runway can't be used parts of the day due to a noise agreement the neighbor community
Incorrect LN-KGL. As a professional analyst (or so I believe?) I would have thought you would have gone to the bother of checking a few facts first as I did in a few minutes....

The runway can be used all the time during the day if necessary. The agreement is not to use it at night (2200-0600) unless the original runway is closed for planned maintenance (in which case the airport must advertise this fact well in advance in the local press) or in a tactical emergency situation eg a disabled aircraft on 05L/23R

Here's the statement from the Environmental Plan

We operate both runways during the day, with landings on one and departures on the other. Where possible, aircraft land over Stockport and take off over Cheshire. During periods of easterly winds and some air traffic
control conditions, this can be reversed. We will be reviewing how more flexible use of the runways might reduce disturbance to local residents. However, we will not use Runway 2 between 2200 and 0600 unless
Runway 1 is unsafe to use or is closed for repairs.
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And from the runway data sheet on the website
Opening hours
Manchester Airport has operated on a 24-hour basis since the 1950s. Planning
permission for Runway 2 (23L/05R) permits use of both runways between the hours of 0600 - 2200. At night between the hours of 2200 - 0600 we usually* revert to single runway operations based on Runway 1 (23R/05L).

In practice we only operate both runways when we require the capacity to meet the high airline/public demand to arrive and depart aircraft. At present we use both runways in the morning and then again in the later afternoon and evening. We return to single runway operations based upon Runway 1 (23R/05L)* at other times.

Predicted growth over coming years will require greater use of dual runway
operations and so the hours of operation will change.

*(Exceptions would be during emergency or planned maintenance).
So the airport chooses not to use the second runway during certain hours when capacity does not demand it. This has the benefit of minimising the environmental effects of the runway so demonstrating its good neighbour policy It also means that NATS employ less controllers than if the runway was open all daytime hours - saving on the contract price.

The second runway has had much more extensive opening hours than at present during its nearly 13 year history. Look at the capacity declarations here
Airport Coordination Limited - Reports/Statistics - Manchester Airport

And here's this summer's upcoming capacity declaration

http://www.acl-uk.org/UserFiles/File...mer%202014.pdf

Hope this wealth of information does not mean you will have to re-analyse everything

As mentioned by the airport the hours will be extended again as traffic builds up. If the opening hours are significantly extended, this will require careful planning and advance notice to ensure that sufficient validated controllers are available.

FlightStats monthly on time reports this summer was really bad reading for MAN
Where can we find this? What is the source of their information?

And did it tell you what were the causes of delay such as used by Eurocontrol?
ATC Capacity, Weather, Special Event,ATC Staffing, Aerodrome Capacity,ATC Routeings, Accident / Incident,De-Icing, Equipment non-ATC
or by IATA?
http://www.eurocontrol.int/sites/def...des-ahm730.pdf

I think we should be told.

Fair Deal Frank

As has already been pointed out to you, the Commission has failed to look at issues with a UK wide perspective - see their terms of reference below taken from here
https://www.gov.uk/government/speech...rts-commission

The commission’s terms of reference will be as follows:

The commission will examine the scale and timing of any requirement for additional capacity to maintain the UK’s position as Europe’s most important aviation hub; and it will identify and evaluate how any need for additional capacity should be met in the short, medium and long term.

It should maintain a UK-wide perspective, taking appropriate account of the national, regional and local implications of any proposals.

It should engage openly with interested parties and members of the public, providing opportunities to submit evidence and proposals and to set out views relevant to its work.

It should seek to engage with a range of stakeholders, including with local and devolved government as well as the opposition, to build consensus in support of its approach and recommendations.
Whilst the emphasis quite rightly was on the South East, there is nothing in there to help regional airports take some of the strain so that regional passengers have an option of not travelling to London. This would allow the current limited capacity in the SE, and in particular at LHR, to be used by those who really need it pending the appearance of more capacity which is certainly needed. Any contribution that regional airports could make were barely mentioned - better access and that was about it. Differential APD was dismissed (no doubt under pressure from our local MP that nice Mr Gideon Osborne..) and the opportunity to sort out the bilateral issues which still do exist was missed.

Anyway, at the end of it all, I reckon sweet FA will happen and the UK will slip further behind.

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