Lefty, here is a sample of pay scales for TTC drivers and F/Os at a LCC located at CYTZ, TTC driver, first year, no overtime factored in $57,600, plus sick pay, overtime when valid and vacation pay, Q400 F/O $41, 600, almost no benifits, very small per diems.I have a stack of CVs on my desk from pilots offering to fly for much less than we pay our staff, yes, the "race to the bottom" will only get worse given this attitude, my advice, get a real job and fly for fun untill the pilot population wakes up to reality!