OK Dan, here is an example.
One fine day at the old RUH airport, took over the aeroplane (TriStar) and pushed back...so far, fine and dandy.
Approaching rny 01, the IFS comes up and says..."hey Captain, the aft floor is very hot, and so it was on the inbound sector as well. Told the inbound Captain but he says...never mind, is a hot day (and so it was, 46C).
Looked around and asked the Flight Engineer (younger guys will never know what they are missing) and he says...Hmmm, the aft area equipment HOT light is on, think we have a big problem.
Returned to the gate, maintenance checked and found an N2 bleed air leak (hot floor) that in addition had burned thru a big wire bundle as well.
Question...did we have any CRM (courses) in those bygone days...and the short answer is no, none whatsoever.
It was called crew co-operation, and is certainly nothing new, whatever label you put on it. Been that way since I started in heavy jet aircraft...yes as far back as pre-1973.
The NEW programs are really nothing new, IMHO. 'Course if you were not around then, you would have no idea.
OTOH, sometimes you can have TOO much co-operatioin from the cabin staff. Take for example the time that a TriStar Captain had an engine rundown/tailpipe fire (number one) in Cairo and the CC attempted to evac....out the port side, without a ANY instruction from the flight deck.
Better to train 'em right the first time....and hope they actually listen.
Last edited by 411A; 19th Feb 2003 at 05:56.