Just searched for a KLM european ticket in September. The very cheap = good value ticket, includes 23kgs hold baggage and 10kgs hand baggage. That, plus the fact that you take 2 pieces of hand baggage e.g. tax-free or computer, and a coat or umbrella etc. I'm not sure where this debate has come from. I'm sure, if the route was available with either of the main LoCo's, they could not match the service like for like. In my experience the LoCo's usually win if you travel hand baggage only. However, HiCo carriers usually have more flights per day, and daily, on the major routes, and thus a choice of times, often at more convenient ones. This IMHO has a value too in the overall cost. Having to check in at 05.00 on a holiday and coming home at 01.00 is often not worth the €50 you might save. OK a family could be €200, but knackered kids and wife are a holiday killer. The comparison between the LoCo's and traditional carriers really brings the truth about cost and value into stark reality.