I've seen 3, the Atlantique hitting the black sheds at Farnborough, watching him in the final turn thinking that's an awful lot of side-slip to have that near the ground, an auto-gyro that took it's own tail off with it's rotor, also at Farnborough and RAE's Buccaneer at West Freugh, one minute he was steaming in at low level, the next he wasn't, very sad.