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Old 22nd November 2012 | 17:40
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Level Attitude
 
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Thank you Mr A for providing a reference which is:
AMC1 FCL.060(b)(1) Recent experience When a pilot needs to carry out one or more flightswith an instructor or an examiner to comply with the requirement ofFCL.060(b)(1) before the pilot can carry passengers, the instructor or examineron board those flights will not be considered as a passenger.

GM1 FCL.060(b)(1) Recent experience AEROPLANES, HELICOPTERS, POWERED-LIFT, AIRSHIPS AND SAILPLANES If a pilot or a PIC is operating under the supervision of an instructor to comply with therequired three take-offs, approaches and landings, no passengers may be onboard
Original question on this thread was how should this flight be recorded.
Looks like Instructor P1 and Pilot Pu/t (P1/s NOT being available). But could possibly be interpreted as if the Instructor "wasn't really there ie pretend solo" and hence Pilot records P1 and Instructor records nothing.

Another quote:
ANO 2012
50 (1) Subject to paragraph(2), a person must not act as a pilot of an EASA aircraft that is registered in the United Kingdom without holding an appropriate licence granted, converted or rendered valid under the EASA AircrewRegulation.
So no, you cannot regain passenger carrying currency flying with "your mate" as PIC. If you are acting as a pilot then you are neither Pax nor SNY so you must be a crew member: but in single crew aircraft there is only one Pilot so you would have to be P1 which makes them a Pax (which they are not allowed to be)

Just get current solo if you are happy you are still competent, or with an Instructor if you feel you need some pointers. Anything else seems silly, and potentially litigious.


As for none instructors doing the bumps as pic again there is no problem either. Group insurance can detail none instructors as named check pilots for the purposes of the group only.

To be honest the named ppl check pilots that i know have way more clue about checking a pilot out than a sub 200 hour knubnut zero to hero restricted instructor.
MJ:
I would agree that named PPL Check Pilots are excellent at checking the flying skills of group members. But this does pre-suppose both checker and checkee are legal (though maybe not profficient) on the aircraft.
In the "Pax Carrying Currency" context of this thread the checkee would not be legal to be P1. Even if the 3 x Take/Offs - Landings were acceptable, the Checker (as P1) would have to pay 1/2 the cost of the flight - would you do this?
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