Heh, yup, 'rest' is a very subjective term over here. However 'min time for rest in the hotel' doesn't factor. A reduced rest of eight hours is a rest period of eight hours and how much time that actually gives the crew in a hotel doesn't factor into the FAAs calculations. A reduced rest period may result in you leaving the airport in the bus an hour after block in, arriving fifteen minutes or half an hour later and then having to get food, shower, do all your other stuff, sleep, get up, shower, have breakfast etc etc and then report back to the airport at the end of that rest period. Rest starts fifteen minutes after block-in and ends at report time at the airport the next morning. How much rest you actually manage to get in between isn't the FAAs problem. Fortunately some of us (I'm not UAL) have quite good fatigue policies which means that if it all gets too much we can call in without fear of repercussions.
Things are going to change but the idea that UAL pilots (and only UAL pilots?) are regularly allowing FARs to be broken, when it's something that we all track very carefully, is so moronic it makes my brain hurt.
Last edited by ViciousSquirrel; 13th Aug 2012 at 17:51.