Thanks evertone for the information, the problem is i'm looking for a fast aircraft that can also take four up( got some family in canada so would love to take them up) with full fuel and not be a problem with mass and balance. Plus i'll be using an arrow to do my CPL and so i want something with similar speed or faster so i can sail through it and dont think C152 or C172 would cut, anymore help would be deeply appreciated. thanks