No they didn't "Snowballs" there were lots of people that were employed by Ansett that had close links with the AFAP folk...in fact some would not talk to tech crew etc...but no one cared and no one payed any notice, they were just missguided fools like I think you are ....no one is expecting that ex AN guys will get instant commands least of all the ex AN guys...thats your interpertation but you sound like a little upstart and have no respect for people with greater experience that you...you don't appreciate or have the ability to understand what this is all about....thats the trouble with our society, there is no respect for experience or elders in our society, as I said before VirginBluedotcomdotau is just a spiv airline that attracts people like you......