That's a very defeatist attitude Ozzie380. But as I have never been there and thinking of going, I take your comments on board. But your comments are the shortest quibs I have read about any other airline so in my case I think Minority rules and I will apply anyway. We will always have something to moan about and life is never how you expect it to be. We just have to make the best of our poor lives, that is compared to all the people out of work or actively seeking work. That ole phrase, "aren't you lucky to have a job", springs to mind(I hate that phrase too). I notice you never mentioned about how little they will be paying you for all these inconveniences. The fact is that wherever you work, you will have something to gripe about, but I think EK suitably compensate you for that. If we wanted all the things you are looking for we wouldn't be pilots. Due respect to your comments though. I appreciate them and will take them on board. Thanks for taking the time to write down the misgivings that I think are in every airline.