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Old 21st Nov 2011, 23:48
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konstantin
 
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Whatever one`s opinions on the matter, the last two posts by Lodown and DutchRoll are a perfect example of the science not being settled. Sceptic or warmista sites, one sees it constantly and ad nauseam.

eg

- Panic, arctic ice is reducing. But it would be nice to compare the current trend and amount to what we had in the 1920/30s. Pity the sat records only start in 1979.

- Sea levels are rising. Yep, have been for a looong time, the point being? Apparently they absolutely rocketed up a few thousand years ago too.

- Degree of anthropogenic attribution please. Oh, I forgot, Trenberth says 5%, for extreme weather events anyway. So there, QED.

- Net recession of glaciers. Yep, since last century. Nothing to do with a multi-centennial cycle and coming out of the LIA?

LIA has been debunked, see...
No, the hockey stick has been debunked, see...
No it hasn`t, see...
Yes it has, see...

Etc, etc, et bloody c....

The amazing thing is that while all of this is going on, we have the most alarming pronouncements being blindly parroted on the news by pollies, eg

"New advice indicates that sea levels could rise by [insert any ludicrous amount you like here] metres this coming century"

"450ppm - 2 degrees - tipping point/irreversible"...repeat after me...

Three years ago all of this was "care factor zero" for me - then over a period of a few months the BS detector started going off, the constant references to "carbon" and "pollution", and black balloons popping out of washing machines and DVD players on those telly ads, and "climate change" sans the human-caused prefix were all cumulatively just a little too Goebbels...did more and more digging thereafter. Conclusion?

The "science" is far from "settled". Although many people/organisations/businesses, for a multitude of diverse and self-interested reasons, would have us believe otherwise.

And as always, the bottom line is - exactly what is unilateral action by Oz going to achieve? Oh wait, there will be an international scheme by 2016. Yes there will. We just have to talk China and India and the US and Canada and Russia and Japan into it, that`s all.
But they will come around. You`ll see.


PS Comparing Earth and Venus brings to mind the "apples and oranges" adage. Have certainly seen lots of he said/she said on that one!
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