Yep I do understand the geographical and government difficulties but that doesn't explain how Cathay can operate 4 flts a day to Sydney versus qf's 2. Or thai airways 2 flts a day versus qf's 1 or china southern or emirates or ethihad or china airlines etc etc etc and that's just Sydney. Management choose not to even attempt a challenge, even if it's just for Market presence. Look at it as advertising Qf if it doesn't generate huge profit. Give the flying public some choices. Who knows, perhaps they will support qantas over foreign airlines and profits will come. I forgot to mention that they probably don't count jet-connects % to qf's international Market share. So let's see the real figures of Qf + Jq + jx if it really is the 'qantas group'