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Old 22nd October 2002 | 21:27
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scroggs
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You seem to take exception to one of my posts. Perhaps I can remind you (and others) of the paragraph which seems to have raised your bile:
Virgin's T&C's aren't the best, and there is considerable and vocal discussion going on right now about that subject between the company and the CC. I'd say that trading conditions right now are unlikely to support a large increase now, but that a substantial improvement in the future is on the cards. However, this is only my opinion! If you want a comparison on current pay and benefits, try this site: Airline Pay Comparisons . It's not totally up-to-date, but it's not far off. The pension is a defined contribution one, with the company contributing 15% of gross pay. Starting pay for an FO is about 40K, rising to 55K after 18 years (time to command is an unknown right now, but bank on 5 years minimum). Maximum hours is 750 pa. Days off can be down route, but aren't often. I get about 12-14 days at home a month and three or four trips (I'm Airbus - the 744 guys do more, shorter, trips).
You'll note that I do not set myself up as the font of all knowledge on the subject, but I doubt that there's much in this paragraph that is far from the truth. Your time-to-captaincy calculations are very impressive, and may yet turn out to be correct; who knows? All I said was that time to command was currently an unknown and would be a minimum of five years. Is that so wrong? You dispute my suggestion that starting pay is 'about £40k'. I'm sorry if it wasn't correct to 2 decimal places, but it's in the right ballpark. Anyone seriously interested in discovering greater detail can do so quite easily. As for your attempts to disparage my character and position, I won't dignify them with an argument. There are plenty both here and in the airline who know who I am; do a little research and you will too, if you're really interested.

As for your final comment to others about not throwing away seniority lightly, I totally agree.
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