thanks dickflys and scroggs. I think the problem we all have is the slow but inexorable deterioration to our t&C's whoever we fly for. Certainly in the past 3 years my tt at work has increased, along with other irritations and the days of a quiet winter for the charter pilots are very definately numbered. Observe Airtours and Brittania transforming themselves into low cost operators. The point is, having realised that the golden age of being an airline pilot is well and truly over and wherever you work, you're going to be worked hard are we better off doing 12 sectors a month at VS or 32 sectors a month at MyTravel or Easy? Tough question to answer, the short haul guys mostly get home at nights, but at least VS guys and gals get a pint at the end of their working day!!