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Old 24th Jul 2011, 14:13
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These aviation reports from ToI and other news papers makes me want to shoot myself in the head .

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The airline has ordered 31 Boeing 777s
The idiot writing the article doesnt even know how many aircraft the airline ordered. 23 were ordered 20 have been delivered and 3 have differed.
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When there are many A310  and B737 pilots whose training costs have been recovered and can be sent  to train on the B787 Dreamliner, why is the airline sending freshly  trained B777 pilots to train on the B787 and wasting the money they  spent on their B777 training,''
Does ToI have the numbers? How many 310 and 737 capts? How many are TREs, TRIs,? Do they even know what TRE or TRI is? There are at the most about 10-15 310 capts of which about 5 must be TRE/TRI. Some of these guys are training on the 777 and some are still flying the lone aircraft which is still operaying on 1 or 2 routes. The 737 capts are all brand new with 1-2 yrs experience in the RHS and more importantly none are TRI/TRE or even check pilots.
And I am damn sure if AI sent these new 737 guys on the 787 we would be reading an article saying "AI endangers passenger lives by letting inexperienced pilots fly modern 787s"
Its a known fact that in any airline in the world when a new brand new and modern aircraft like the 787 is introduced into into fleet the airline would want only senior capts, TREs and TRIs to train 1st because once they get rated on the 787 they can train more pilots.
Boeing Begins 787 Dreamliner Pilot Training with Launch Customer ANA - Apr 26, 2011
Boeing 777 pilots can qualify to fly the 787 in as little as five days, given the high level of commonality between the two airplane types.
So you have the 777 crew who will be familiar with the 787 technology and then you have the 310 crew who are used to the stone age technology. Who would you rather have in the cockpit of a brand new aircraft?

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Also because we will be  losing B777 instructors, examiners to B787, the airline has decided to  outsource B777 training to a company in the US, though it has training  infrastructure in Mumbai,''
The 777 is your main fleet. You have maximum number of TRI/TRE on the 777 and there are hardly any TRE/TRI on the other fleet (737 and 310). So where else are they supposed to get TRE/TRI if not from the 777. Oh yeah lets nor move the 777 pilots to 787s and hire expats for the 787s so that the CMD, Minister and some babus can make some money. And no AI pilot has been sent to any foreign training establishment so far. There were some articles about pan am being give a contract to train 737 and 777 pilots. As of now all 737 and 777 training is being done in mumbai on AI sims and occasionally on the jet air 777 sim.

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[To make themselves and  their kin eligible and prevent other pilots from being selected for B787  training, the management has drawn up special criteria for B787  training. For instance: co-pilots have to be Airline Transport Pilot License holders (ATPL).
Ok, so increasing the requirements and selecting some one with higher qualifications is a bad thing now? I can understand if the requirement was relaxed from ATPL to CPL to accommodate the bosses kids . But asking for a higher class of license is bad now??

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Incidentally, even the VVIP flights operated by Air India which flies the President, Prime Minister do not ask for co-pilots with ATPL.
You moron its because only a select few senior capts are authorised to fly VVIPs. And only capts fly the VVIPs around no f/os.

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Japan's All Nippon Airways  (ANA) too has ordered Dreamliners and it has a huge fleet of B777  aircraft as well. "ANA has no such criteria that B777 pilots should be  sent for Dreamliner training,'' said a pilot.
Oh yeah. So what is ANA doing? Training its 767 pilots to fly the 1st 787?

I am not saying that the selection of pilots to train on the 787s has been made in a complete transparent and fair manner. But some of the things which the article claims is wrong or is causing losses is total BS.

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