Same, same heard both!
Another question for ATC HKG?
How can I come up for a visit/look around your facility? It all seems pretty swanky, not to mention busy. Purely for interests sake...... although I would specifically like to understand more about how and why decisions in apch control are made. Im not complaining... I think you do a damn good job.
A point on contact would be swell or if you wish send a private message.
Rgds