Hustler, I haven't deserted anyone. In my dealings, few and far between as they are, with senior management I routinely attempt to give support to the 49ers, there was a time when I believed my opinions were being listened to and hoped for the return of some of my brothers. And all aircrew are my brothers - and sisters, I have been working in the air for a long time and in many places. I have always attempted to be rational and reasonable in my pontifications. I sincerely hope the AOA is not pinning their faith in the legal systems elsewhere as a means to solving this dispute. Whatever the outcome of the court cases, and I don't hold much hope for an AOA victory anywhere as the action taken by the company, draconian as it was, was nonetheless legal in our system here and did not contravene any Hong Kong labour laws. The mere facts that the ban remains in place, contract compliance - work to rule - is still in vogue and the court actions themselves supported by the AOA are all examples of industrial action against the company. The company will never return to the negotiating table until all those things are dropped and there is a change in AOA leadership. Each day the AOA is getting weaker (IMHO) both financially and as a representative body for the pilots. Isn't it time to think outside the box?