Montrealguy - I am intrigued by the basic premise of your argument. As I said before, you have an agenda and will not be dissuaded from it. My question is, what is that agenda? Talk of 'Cold War prejudice' etc is all straight from the Pravda world of delusion from where I sit, but I am open to be persuaded. What are you actually saying? Is your argument that people like myself are fundamentally wrong and that non-western aviation is as safe as western aviation? My argument is that when taken together, there are many factors in non-western aviation, that taken together make it significantly less safe than western aviation. That includes the employment of older aircraft, unacceptable operational practices, inadequate training, poor maintainance and unsafe cultural attitudes. Do you dispute that view?