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Aircraft down in residential area of Karachi?

Old 27th Nov 2010, 21:21
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Aircraft down in residential area of Karachi?

There are reports circulating at the moment of a large aircraft (possibly russian) that's come down in a residential area of Karachi, Pakistan

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Old 27th Nov 2010, 21:24
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More information getting through now

A Russian Cargo Airplane on way to Sudan (Khartoum) crashed 5 minutes after take off from Karachi Airport, Pakistan. It has crashed into a Naval Colony (Malir Cantt Ext) destroying 8 houses. Reporting 4 on board.

Edit: Other reports suggesting that there may have been 8 crew on board, and that witnesses claim to have seen the right engine on fire prior to the crash. Obviously it's much too early to have hard facts

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Old 27th Nov 2010, 21:33
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sky news saying it was 2 minutes into flight, russian, and al queda possibly involved!..
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Old 27th Nov 2010, 21:34
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There is a live stream from the crash site showing large fires Live Streaming Dunya News TV , Dunya TV Pakistan
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Old 27th Nov 2010, 22:04
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BBC News - Plane from Karachi crashes with eight people on board
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Old 27th Nov 2010, 23:08
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YouTube - Russion Cargo Plane iL-76 Crash in karachi sunday 28 November 2010
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BBC says its mechanical failure so we might as well close this thread. Lord knows why we waste so much money on professional accident investigation when conclusions can be reached in such a straightforward manner.
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Ref post#3 al queda ? ?

Regretably I think " Russian Cargo Aircraft" is probably enough of an explanation if we look at historical precedent, no need to involve Osama B.L. methinks.
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Old 28th Nov 2010, 05:49
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Regretably I think " Russian Cargo Aircraft" is probably enough of an explanation if we look at historical precedent, no need to involve Osama B.L. methinks.
Really ? Lets look at 2010 fatal accidents by manufacturer and country of origin and see what they have to say about your comment.


Airbus 2
Antonov 6
ATR 2
Beechcraft 2
Boeing 5
Convair 1
DeHaviland 1
CASA 1
Cessna 4
Dornier 1
Embraer 3
Fairchild 1
GAF 1
Learjet 1
LET 2
Lockheed 1
PZL 2
Rockwell 1
Tupolev 1


Australia 1
Brazil 3
Canada 1
Czech Rep 2
France 4
Poland 5
Germany 1
Russia 5
Spain 1
USA 16

If this crash was indeed an IL-76, it would be the first fatal Ilyushin crash of 2010.

PS All An-2 were built in Poland after around 1961 and are counted as Polish. I counted Airbus and ATR as "French" although its more complicated.
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another video clip...

YouTube - Russion Cargo Plane iL-76 Crash in karachi sunday 28 November 2010
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Originally Posted by HKPAX View Post
BBC says its mechanical failure so we might as well close this thread.
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The BBC actually says:
Witnesses say they saw that one of the plane's engines was on fire, which suggests that the cause of the crash may have been a mechanical failure.
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The cause of the crash was not immediately known, and an investigation is now under way.
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Old 28th Nov 2010, 12:30
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Video

Amateur video showing the last few seconds of flight.
YouTube - Amateur Video Clip of Ilyushin Il-76 hitting ground in Karachi
Shown by a Pakistani TV channel.
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there are reports of the crew declaring mayday and requesting emergency landing. the airplane caught fire just after take off, and for a change we have video to confirm it. it went down into some houses being constructed for naval officers in Pakistan Naval Station Karsaz.

as far as i can figure the crash site is pretty much in line with 25L an slightly left of 25R at about 2NM from the end of 25L.
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Old 28th Nov 2010, 15:16
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How many 76's are there airworthy these days?

Its the number of accidents per fleet size that really matters.
Boeing come out 2nd 5, but there are thousands of those flying all over the world!

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Old 28th Nov 2010, 15:18
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Eyewitnesses stated that one of the starboard engines was on fire as the aircraft climbed out of Jinnah. The crew attempted to return to Jinnah, but the aircraft crashed on approach to runway 07R
In the video the aircraft is still on fire when it hit the ground. Seems to me it was too much time for just an engine fire.
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In the video the aircraft is still on fire when it hit the ground. Seems to me it was too much time for just an engine fire.
The short inflight portion of that last video showed a pretty big fire going. Seems likely that more than just an engine was burning. Perhaps another uncontained engine failure?
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How many 76's are there airworthy these days?

Its the number of accidents per fleet size that really matters.
Boeing come out 2nd 5, but there are thousands of those flying all over the world!

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Thanks for the welcome.

Actually there are several hundred IL-76 still flying these days, but there are only 130 civilian IL-76s flying legally, ie with a real and a valid Certificate of Airworthiness. These are all listed here on the Ilyushin website:

Airworthy Ilyushins

The very reason Ilyushin listed those CIVILIAN aircraft that were flying legally, is because many of those that were involved in crashes these past years, crashed, not because they were Ilyushins, but because they had been flown without conforming to the maintenance and inspection programs of the manufacturer, leading to comments like were made by you on this Forum.

You will notice that 4L-GNI, the Georgian Registered IL-76 involved in last night's crash, is not on the list of the IL-76 with a real Certificate of Airworthiness. Not a coincidence.

Ilyushin encourages visitors to this page to also visit the website of Saturn, the engine manufacturer' Website, to discover if the engines that are hung on an individual aircraft are legal.

The Indian Air Force has 26 IL-76-based aircraft and has been operating them since 1985 with zero losses. Not a coincidence either.
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There are reports that after 2007 this airframe was only allowed to fly if a service life extension programme was completed.
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Old 28th Nov 2010, 17:16
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Montrealguy,

I think what you, and others, have posted justifies , rather than invalidates , my comment.

I didn't claim that the aircraft, if operated/maintained in accordance with its original design brief by a technically competent crew/legally operating company/correctly functioning airworthiness authority, couldn't be safe. But, even without getting involved in African ops, that is not how the majority of these aircraft/companies are conducting their business, so my comment , in the very general sense, stands, and is I believe an accurate reflection of all Soviet cargo aircraft worldwide this last decade or more. Read flight international's annual accident reviews and see how many Soviet cargo aircraft come to grief each and every year.
Final Q, you can get in the back of one of these mothers, or get the train and take a few days longer, what you gonna choose ? me, I'll let the train take the strain thanks.
Look at some of the related videos appearing on youtube, like the curvature of the earth aided take-off. These aircraft ,through no fault of their own, are being operated by individuals/companies/regimes that don't have the first idea, and even less concern for, anything relating remotely to flight safety. Sad but, evinced by the number of smouldering wrecks each year, all too true.
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