Originally Posted by
Montrealguy
You are quite correct, several of the machines I listed as Russian were built in the Ukraine, some at a time when Ukraine was part of the USSR, others after independence. Machines such as the AN-26 and the An-32 were built in the Ukraine, while the An-28 is built in Russia, the An-12 was built strictly in Uzbekistan (although none were involved in fatal accidents in 2010) and the An-2 was built in Poland. But if we were to follow that logic, the IL-76, all of which were built in Uzbekistan, is not a Russian machine at all and should be listed as Uzbek.
What really counts ? The country where the designers are located or the country where the plant that assembles the aircraft is located ?
The Soviet Union left us a situation which is quite weird for "westerners". Antonov is Ukrainian. The Aviastar aviation factory in Ulyanovsk, Russia, builds Antonovs, Tupolevs and has now begun building Ilyushins as well. But about half of An-124s were built at Aviastar (before and after the end of the USSR). Are they Ukrainain or Russian ?
But all this is besides the point. Lets look at fatal accidents of 2009, if 2010 was not convincing enough, by type this time
Airbus 310 1
Airbus 330 1
An-2 1 (Soviet/Ukraine design, Polish built)
An-12 2 (Soviet/Ukraine designed, Uzbek built)
An-26 1
An-32 1
ATR-72 1
BAE 146 1
BAE 32 1
BAE 41 1
BAE 125 1
Beech 99 1
Beech 1900 1
BN-2 3
Boeing 707 1
Boeing 737 2
Canadair 600 1
CASA 212 1
Cessna 208 3
Cessna 650 1
DHC-6 3
DHC-8 1
DC-3 2
Emb110 1
F-27 1
Falcon 20 1
Falcon 100 1
GAF N22 1
GAF N24 1
Hesa 140 1 (Ukraine designed, Iranian built)
IL-62 1
IL-76 4 (Soviet/Russian design, Uzbek built)
Lockheed C-130 3
MD-11 2
PZL M-28 2 (a Polish built and modified An-28 with US engines)
TU-154 1
If we go by country of last assembly:
16 US
7 UK types
5 Uzbek
5 Canadian
5 French
3 Polish
2 Russian
2 Ukraine
2 Australian
1 Iranian
1 Spanish
1 Dutch
1 Brazilian
By Country of Design
16 US
10 USSR
7 UK
5 Canadian
5 French
2 Polish
2 Australian
1 Spanish
1 Dutch
1 Brazilian
1 Ukraine (the HESA 140)
Despite the many shady operators of ex Soviet machines, the statistics do no reflect the poor reputation they were given.
Utterly meaningless statistics. The only meaningfull way to compare statistics between aircraft is accidents per 100,000 flying hours and even this does not account for operational differences like short haul vs long haul, operations at 2nd or third tier airports etc.
However the latest numbers I have seen put the accident rate per 100,000 hrs of ex soviet block aircraft at 15 times higher than all operators using Western built aircraft. No amount of jiggery pokery will hide the fact the IL and Antonov aircraft crash at much higher rate than Western aircraft. The cause of that discrepency can be debated but not its existance.