Thnank you PEI for understanding what I was trying to say. Essentially, I was refering to the old adage about a superior pilot using his superior judgement to avoid having to demonstrate his superior skill. P51guy would you deliberately stall (or even fly very slow) a large swept wing jet transport of any type low down? If so, why? It proves nothing (except just how dangerous it is). The truly great Captain Robert Buck said it so much more eloquently than I ever could. While being checked out on the (I think) Constellation by an FAA Check Airman, he was downwind on a blustery day with one engine out when the FAA guy pulled back the power on another engine. Buck knew that things were now getting unnecesarily dangerous, and that being so close to the ground the safety margins were being eroded. He brought the power on the 2nd 'failed' engine back up. When the FAA guy said "you have to do this, it's part of the check" Buck replied "well, looks like I've failed. Let's go home." Buck WAS a Captain. (Incidentally, as he was at the time one of TWA's senior pilots the FAA guy backed down, and they did something else!)