Actually the AIPA was "born" of the AFAP. Cannot remember the actual dates, but the QF blokes got the sh*ts with the AFAP over a number of issues that they decided were irrelevent to them, and they broke away with their own group, but never quite forgave the AFAP for a building that was purchased in Melbourne, and they never saw a cent from its sale. Wooden eye might remember this. Anyway might come the full circle after all, hope so.