OK so there were some redundancies in CX and affiliated companies a while ago. But still very complimentary to CX management that they publicly stated, and kept their word, that no-one would be laid off after 9/11. Other airlines are still laying folk off, gardening leave etc. CX management accepted the fact that poor bottom line was acceptable for up to two years before they would do anything to the workforce. That sort of attitude engenders support and they have it. You don't like CX middle management, especially FOPS. When the call came out for volunteers for these positions did you apply? No of course you didn't, too comfortable. It is said you get the management and politicians you deserve - aint that the truth. And you have got it. Please don't rabbit on about the 49ers, different issue all together, their situation was caused by union ineptitude not CX mis-management. That CX action was regrettable but thoroughly understandable. The only hope has gone and that was a new union executive. Stalwart of you to show such support for ND and co. However the company are chuckling now with ND still at the reins. No reason to talk is there.