Pious and Soddim - you both speak much sense. Budgeteers are not leaders, Nor are those who say what the politicos want to hear. If we had been given a clear mission in 2006 and if someone had said that it would be a long hard war that required many thousands of combat forces, we would be in a much better position to deliver. However, much has been squandered, but that isn't to say that dignity cannot be regained.