Johnm
Probably not - I suppose that if the cloudbase is say 1500 then I could descend north of SWB to MSA and then lower for the LLC before climbing again once through it.
Are Liverpool usually happy with a routing via WAL?
Normal minima for me would be cloudbase 1000ft agl at destination (Carlisle) which is 1200ft AMSL. However I need to think about whether that is sensible single engined over the Lakes...
Tim
(PS and yes, I realised after I'd posted that it was south to north though I plan to come back again!)