411A...L-1011 one of the best I ever flew....I love Lockheed, flew 7 years C-141A's, went to airline, flew F/E, F/O, Capt, Sim IP on the wonderful L1011, and loved every minute. A Crewmember's Dream! It was over-engineered (too safe, means too expensive), and much too heavy. The DC-10 was rushed to market, under-engineered (example Souix City, Paris Turkish, and many others), and the MD-11 derivative greatly under flight-controlled, resulting in multiple flip-crashes. Airlines love it. They can absorb financial losses due to crashes and deaths of crew, because of long-term financial pluses of flying under-engineered death traps with small fuel burns, great loads. DROP THE TALK OF THE L-1011. The MD-11 lives, dangerously for crew, financially valuable for airlines, and the Tri-Star is financially DEAD, to my deep chagrin. Sam