You are correct Sharfted, it does seem more than a little hypocritical that AOA members filled the vacancies left by the martyrs of union stupidity then they villify newbies filling spaces made by expansion and aircraft return. I can hear the supporters of the ban now, it's working - rubbish, it's a legitimate union industrial action - maybe if the ban was not a claytons one , it has the support of IFALPA - of course it does, doesn't hurt any of them does it, it has the support of the majority of pilots - lmao and given HK's draconian industrial laws what else can we do? Simple answer give up all industrial action, change the Committee - at the least for cosmetic sake and return to negotiation. Wait for things to change politically here and then when you have a hope of success - if you are still bloody minded about the Company - start again. Yes I know about lists and things but at the end of the day hundreds of pilots not in any union local or international is grist for the mills of management everywhere. Smell the coffee guys please. You are unwilling players in a drama which will adversely affect industrial relations all over our industry for a long time. (Exclude the 49ers from my next please) You are not valiant soldiers battling the nemesis of freedom - management at CX- you are pawns in a much bigger game being keenly observed by the biggest and boldest captains of industries everywhere. I firmly believe we are setting the wrong standards here.