Completly agree with your last post Captain Black Adder however being a "charter pilot"too I must admit I have spent many moments sitting at the hold waiting for clearence to take off, even though called ready immediate and being told to wait 'cause the traffic that's 8 miles out has been cleared to land.
Guees you carn't beat good old uk atc!
[This message has been edited by FLAMEOUT (edited 14 April 2001).]