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Old 26th Mar 2010, 05:51
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Burger Thing
 
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Originally Posted by VONKLUFFEN
I might be called after my comment. But Im starting to ask myself why so many incidents and accidents to Fedex only? Many around the world fly the same types of aircraft , right? Are this pilots not well trained, tired ,fatigued, lack the necessary discipline the job demands? No PAX gives them the idea that they can do some stunts? Dont take me wrong but to many events in a very short period of time. Do some research of the last 10 years and you will be shocked.
I was not told, I saw it yesterday. A MD11 taking off ,probably half empty, no windshear or bad weather to avoid etc and after rotation I thought I was watching the space shuttle instead. Why fly the AC to its limits when is not necessary from a operational point of view? I may have a clue what was this take off all about because once I did the stupid maneuver. Low weight, flaps 15 , full thrust (26K) static T/O brake released and liftoff, literally. It was scary and DANGEROUS!
Again, just a thought not to nail anyone but to shift the attention to somewhere else and see if we can find some answers.
You obviously have *no clue* how much performance/thrust an MD-11 has, even of the highest Flex Temperature setting. If you are taking off with low weight and not following your pitch bar on the FD, you would accelerate so quickly, it is not even funny. You couldn't probably even raise your gears... In my experience, even if you are following the pitch bar on a low weight/max flex temp TO, by the time you have rotated and sitting there in a climb, you end up with a speed far greater then V2+10. This is not a 737, mate

What looked dangerous to you, was most likely standard ops for a normally trained crew - following SOPs and MDDs MD-11 Flight Guidance System - Freight Dogs are flying on the extreme sides of the performance envelopes quite often (low/heavy weight).

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