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Old 5th Mar 2010, 08:58
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shanx
 
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There is a sever shortage of Capts. and we all know that there are'nt enough indian capts so airlines have to hire expats.

And another vey important point is that not all ATPL holders will be fit/qualify to fly as captains. And you can not push the ailines/DGCA to pass the Indian ATPL holder to replace the expats captains even if they are not good enough. Its the safety of the people thats more important than providing employment to the unemplyed pilots.
you're saying "we all know" that there are'nt enough Indian Captains ...
Seriously, I do not know whether there are sufficiently qualified Indian national pilots to replace expats. and that is the reason why we have an RTI system to find out some information.
Now, how YOU and ALL others know that there are'nt enough Indian national pilots qualified enough to replace expats in all the airlines, charters, flying clubs and corporates in India .. Im quite amazed and impressed !
Have you done a comprehensive study of the data of all the airlines, corporates, flying schools etc in India and done a comparison of the no. of hours, experience, ratings, past history of ALL the employees (nationals and expats) that you have miraculously come to this conclusion (with all others) ?
Or is it that you have resigned to this "fact" after reading some newspaper articles and other drivel on some internet site ? (The same newspapers and websites which promised you a grand and glamourous career a couple of years back maybe ?)

Secondly, your sentence ...
Its the safety of the people thats more important than providing employment to the unemplyed pilots.
At the risk of sounding rude, that is purely a naive view. It shows your gross ignorance of how the industry works in this country.
Trust me, Im speaking with facts. Inputs from Indian national commanders with TRI/TRE qualifications in the national carieer and in other private airlines in India.
If safety is INDEED paramount to all the airlines and the Civil Aviation Ministry or the Govt. of India, then almost ALL the rookie pilots who are purely boom-time beneficiaries should be shown the door and replaced by expat FOs with 1000s of hours on multi engine pistons/turbo props etc.
There are low time pilots flying as FOs in India right now who can not track radials inbound or outbound for $hit, leave alone exhibit basic airmanship and other mandatory qualities in the cockpit.
We have the "Shahrukh-Khans" and "John Abrahams" in the cockpit who prefer to spend time chatting up with cabin crew during flights than do other important stuff.
CRM is just three letters of the english language for a lot of pilots and they prefer their own ad-hoc SOPs rather than follow company/DGCA/ICAO SOPs.
A few prominent ministers and DGCA officers are on the "unofficial" payrolls of some of the airlines.
Crew busting their FDTL's is pretty common (wont name anyone or any airline here for good reasons).
Again ... this is not coming from me, but from Indian and expat pilots who have several thousands of Jet Command time with TRI/TRE qualifications.

Recruitment of expats to an extent, is justified. But, most of the airlines are recruiting expats and offering them much higher salaries than Indian national pilots SIMPLY BECAUSE IT MAKES ECONOMIC SENSE. It has nothing to do with safety and everything to do with basic economics, my friend.
It would cost a lot of money and effort to upgrade an FO to Command on the same aircraft or as FO on a different aircraft (wide body for example).

Also, jimmygill has not attacked expats, or shown any malicious intent towards them at all. There is nothing wrong in asking for inputs or ideas from pilots for the same.
And this is not a movement or rebellion or anything for the cause of unemployed CPL holders. He has clearly mentioned that he is requesting inputs from ALL PILOTS in India.

Safety is of NIL concern to the airlines or even the Government in India, just like almost everything else.
Understand and accept THIS reality first.

Last edited by shanx; 5th Mar 2010 at 09:13.
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